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Bill Zeedyk grew up in New
Jersey, graduating from the

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University of New Hampshire in
1956.

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He worked for the US Forest
Service for 34 years.

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With experience and habitat
management and challenges on

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National Forests in the
Northeast, Southeast, and

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Southwest, he established Zeedyk
Ecological Consulting in 2004 to

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specialize in small stream and
wetland restoration across the

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desert Southwest.

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With more than 280 completed
projects, Bill has developed,

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tested, and applied a wide
variety of treatments and

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practices on both public and
private lands in the US and in

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Mexico.

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Bill has presented numerous
seminars and on the ground

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workshops for students while
also authoring 3 books and a

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range of other publications.

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It's my pleasure to welcome you
today, Bill.

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Thank you, Laura, and it's a
real pleasure to be here and an

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honor.

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I've been, as she just
mentioned, doing stream and

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wetland restoration work since
1994.

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I guess that makes it 30 years
now.

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But, and I did a lot of it when
I was an employee with the

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Forest Service, we took on
questions of Rd.

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drainage and all the different
kinds of impacts not only create

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erosion, but determines where
the water goes.

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So these are some of the things
that I want to work into this.

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I don't have much time, but we
need to.

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One of my sayings is think like
water.

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We don't usually handle things
that way.

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We think about we'd like to see
the outcome be not what work is

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the water going to do and how we
how can we get free benefits

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from how the water does.

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I was going to give a longer
talk on a subject that I call

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the trilogy and everything we do
regarding erosion control and

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stream restoration and ecology
is made-up of three ologies.

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OK, hydrology.

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A lot of us just think about the
hydrology, what you know, how,

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when does it rain, how long does
it rain, how often does it rain?

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We don't think about where the
water goes with.

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We think about how much is there
and how we're going to deal with

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it.

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Dave Rosgen talked a lot about
that years ago, OK.

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And then we think about
geomorphology and if we're

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worried about erosion, how are
we going to catch sediment and

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have it build this back up
again?

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OK, that's the second part of
the trilogy.

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Hydrology, geomorphology, all
geomorphology is really simple.

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When's where is the sediment
coming from?

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Where is it flowing?

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Where is it going to be
deposited?

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We know that we got all the
answers really simple, and

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that's regulated by the
hydrology.

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How much water do we have?

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And what we hardly ever think
about except in terms of the

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results, I've seen lots of
photos today, is the ecology.

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What's the result in terms of
both animals and plants?

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We think about the plants more
often than we do the animals.

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But if we think about the
trilogy being all three ologies

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working together, the hydrology,
how much moisture and where is

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it running?

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What's the geomorphology, the
sediments moving and where are

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they deposit and the ecology,
what's the ecological response

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to that change in water and and
geomorphology?

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OK.

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So what happens with the trilogy
then is with the ecology or the

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vegetation?

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We've seen nice pictures of
vegetation response and all my

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previous speakers.

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OK.

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But that not only changes how
the land looks, it changes the

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hydrology because it changes how
fast the water runs, and it

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changes the geomorphology
because it changes where

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sediments are deposited and that
can change what kinds of plants

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grow there.

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And the change in vegetation
changes the hydrology and

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changes that your morphology and
so on.

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So we can damage it and the
triangle suddenly shrinks, so to

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speak.

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The impacts on the land are a
lot worse.

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So I'm going to show my film.

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Thank you for being willing to
watch.

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That sums up 30 years of work.

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I'm very, very, very honored by
the video so that Renee Roberts

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has been creating.

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She's been tagging along with me
for five years.

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She's created 5 videos, each on
a different area and different

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subject, and they're.

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The first one is being shown in
public in Santa Fe two weeks

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from Saturday, and there will be
a series of five.

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The five videos, the first one
is primarily about my work in

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New Mexico and Arizona and
Colorado.

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The second one is about the work
that's been done in Colorado by

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a group of people we've got
working up there, both

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professionals and volunteers.

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The third one will be about
streaming wetland restoration in

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the Vias Caldera National
Preserve, which was 3/4 the way

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burned by forest fires in 2011
and 2013.

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Huge damage but what we learned
is a lot of the sediments coming

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off the burned area was the
resource to restore incised

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channels in the valley bottom.

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So by building 1 rock dams and
what I call baffles to cause the

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river to meander and not down
cut, that means we have to erode

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the bank.

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Terrible thing to do, except it
makes the stream longer if you

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erode the bank with a pattern
and you get induced meandering

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and that puts the energy for
erosion into the bank and not

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into the bed.

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And the channel gets longer,
which means it's less steep and

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therefore the water doesn't flow
as fast and therefore it can't

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move as much sediments.

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And the sediments are deposited.

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And that means there's more, the
same amount of water in the

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stream gets deeper because it's
not moving as fast, but there's

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just as much of it.

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So it has to get deeper.

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So it floods onto its banks on
both sides.

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And that implements the
initiates the growth of native

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vegetation, which helps to hold
the banks in place.

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And so it's all every step
builds on the next one.

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We have to learn to think like
that.

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And that's not the history of
stream or or erosion control

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work.

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We try to mold the channel into
our concept of what it ought to

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look like.

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And I bet you most of the time
we ain't got it quite right.

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But if we encourage the Creek to
build the right kind of channel

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for the geology of that site and
use the water wisely, then we

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grow vegetation and the
vegetation stabilizes the banks

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and produces wildlife, etcetera.

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So we have to, I liked all of
scenes we showed and there was

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good points in all of them.

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But I'm also trying to say learn
to think like the Creek and the

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river has much work, much time.

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That's one of my sayings that I
really believe in.

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The river has much time.

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We're the ones in a damn hurry.

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And we're going to finish this
by Friday because we got another

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job to do next week.

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So when we get done, it's going
to be right.

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It's always going to be correct.

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It's always going to function
right.

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And the river says, oh, maybe at
Hubble trading post, my first

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induced Mandarin project, the we
got about a little bit of

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progress.

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Then we had a huge flood.

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The water was 11 feet deep,
about 5000 cubic feet of water

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per second.

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Big as the Rio Grande River for
few hours did horrendous damage.

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Afterwards we put in baffles and
made the river meander.

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We put in one rock dams to keep
it from down cutting.

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We extended the baffles with
time so the Creek would erode

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the bank and get more sinuous
and the channel length went from

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2600 feet long to 3400 feet long
in 10 years.

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Well, long time, except it was
1/3 longer than when we started.

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But it was the same elevation,
top and bottom.

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That means it was flatter.

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That means less water unless the
water moves slower.

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Much smaller size particles were
moved by the flowing water.

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So we got riffle pool ratios
evolving.

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OK.

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So the channel went from having
been straightened by a machine

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and then a dam was built that
blew out and the channel down

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cut 8 feet and there was up and
vegetation growing on tops of

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the former floodplain.

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And the channel was from, I
think 12 to 20 feet wide with no

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access to the flood pine like
generating the meander pattern.

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The channel began to fill and it
came up an average of about 6

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feet per year or six inches per
year.

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Not much.

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Why are we doing this?

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Except in 10 years that was 5
feet and then 16 years it was 8

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feet and the channel was not
incised any longer.

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And we had a rich sediment
supply coming from damaged

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landforms upstream, which was
horrible, except that was the

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resource source for the material
to stabilize the channel here.

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So we've always heard, you know,
start at the top and work your

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way down.

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Well, sometimes because of
property ownership boundaries

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and such are we can't do it that
way anyhow.

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But if we can have the stream
begin to stabilize itself, then

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we use the power of running
water to good advantage.

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It's and the vegetation holds
the sediments in place and we

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don't have to form the channel.

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The river does the work.

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It forms the channel if we can
just start it.

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So usually what we do, we have
an image of what it's going to

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look like.

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We're going to make it like
that.

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And like I say, leave on Friday
because we got another job.

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The river has got a long time
Then what we did at Public

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Trading Post has been 20 years
in the making and the channel is

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now 100 and the floodplain is
120 feet wide and it's all

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occupied by wetland plants
again.

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And we didn't plan them.

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They moved in on their own.

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We saw that in some of the other
pictures.

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So I'm begging you to think
about what the river can do and

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give it time to do it.

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Help it get started and then get
out of the way staying back.

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And if you can tweak it a little
bit, that's fine.

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But be patient.

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And we could, but we we just
need to reverse the process so

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it stops getting worse and it
starts getting better and then

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give it time to do it.

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And I think that's my opposing
remark.

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I'll be glad to answer questions
later.

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Well, we do have at the end of
our session now, but I'm

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encouraging everybody to stick
around and and pick the brain

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00:14:50.448 --> 00:14:51.640
with me if you want.

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Otherwise we'll call it, call it
the end of our session

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00:14:55.429 --> 00:14:56.080
officially.

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But thank you all very much for
coming.